We Westerners have no shortage of talented men whose parents didn't need to push them. If they've got the gift that makes math (or programming, etc) feel elegant and satisfying, they want to take whatever opportunity they can to keep exploring it and putting in the work; they'd feel their life would be unlived and understimulating if they didn't. The Western way is that if you aren't that guy, you don't belong in that domain, and that's okay. The field will be fine without you, and you'll be better off not being deluded into thinking you belong. This is the way that has produced Western excellence.
I went to a university that was about half Asian. I'm sure that my White male equivalent, even with my 99th percentile scores, would not have gotten in. But with the way things are now, it looks like that would've been for the better for him.
STFU if you had no shortage you wouldn't be importing people of other races to keep your economy running. I have yet to see arguments or data that disprove this usual right wing talking point because the market reality contradicts your feelings entirely.
For instance regarding black white IQ differences you fuckers know GWAS doesn't map onto Africans very well due to portability issues. You have seen the multiple bits of data showing the predictive accuracy drops to 10 to 15 percent in African datasets but you ignore it. It is disingenuous to take the allele frequency of tags that are consistent in Europeans and apply them to Africans when you know the linkage disequilibrium is different.
And what makes you even more dishonest is you ignore the very real empirical testable hardware fixes that have been shown to increase IQ or stop brain damage in the Black community even though the ROI is massive. You refuse to acknowledge these because you don't want to fix it.
Lead Abatement. We know for a fact lead poisoning destroys the prefrontal cortex and lowers IQ by 5 to 7 points. It disproportionately affects Black neighborhoods. Cost is 400 billion to fix all pipes and paint which is peanuts compared to the lost GDP.
Micronutrient Fortification. 70 percent of African Americans are Vitamin D deficient which impacts cognitive development. Iodine and Magnesium deficiencies are rampant. Cost is literally cents per person to fix the biological substrate.
PM2.5 Pollution Reduction. Exposure to particulate matter in inner cities physically shrinks brain volume and lowers test scores. Cost is regulatory enforcement and air filtration in schools.
You ignore these biological realities that suppress intelligence because you don't actually want to solve the problem you just want to feel superior.
Btw this is true even if a gap exists if there is a real gap this would still be true
We actually dont have a shortage its just large companies can import workers for a fraction of the price as native born americans, also why sperg on about black woes nobody gaf about that lol
You actually do have a shortage. If they would hire locals, they would. They choose Indians because they are harder workers. Sorry, but I've actually seen Indian households versus European ones; you guys are lazier, and you don't have the drive. That doesn't mean you can't, but say it like it is: a culture that studies domain-specific knowledge like math or STEM is going to be accepted into uni more. Nice fucking cope, by the way.
And of course, the subhuman claims to be superior while keeping other races down. Remember, DEI is wrong unless it's white people
“That doesn't mean you can't, but say it like it is: a culture that studies domain-specific knowledge like math or STEM is going to be accepted into uni more. Nice fucking cope, by the way.“
If this were true of Indian culture then India would look more like Japan, and wouldn’t be the corrupt semi-literate latrine that it is.
I work with shit, blah blah, yeah yeah, no, an argument, but I didn't hear any statistical comparison or where they would land on the smart fraction or the bell curve. Factors independent of genes that can be fixed but isn't due to your ancestors which, you cock muncher, you can search, spent 200 years pushing down our throats. And then when you left, Nehru, who was educated in Western academia, fell under the Marxism of the Fabians whose literal motto was being wolves in sheep's clothing. For 40 years he applied the License Raj. You couldn't compete on the global market. 40 years. Then they opened it up. However, every time the leader tries to make an economic reform, it has to be in the interest of a billion poor people who are starving. You can't run politics like this.
So let's say history as it is exactly: your ancestors fucked up my ancestors, introduced subhuman leftism, which is entirely a Western concept, and now that it's poor and the ones that are educated from my population come here, you want to tell me, cock muncher, that whites are getting replaced? Fuck out of here. If you were better, you wouldn't have half the fucking indentured servitude and apartheid states. "Oh, but everyone did it." No, they didn't. They did not set up a global empire based purely on craniomorphological. They made up a racial hierarchy which doesn't map onto genetics very well, as genetics are more akin to a gradient. There is no fine cutting where you split us. Entirely arbitrary. So no, it's not the same.
And the next point is even funnier. Knowledge of history, do you even know what IQ tests even are? What they are measuring? Literally, it's so hilarious. In the West, you're trained to think in right angles. In Africa, you're trained to think in fractals. It's a completely different environment. Psychometric g is a construct that attempts to measure the underlying ability of populations using visuospatial abilities, abstract thinking, the ability to juggle multiple thoughts at once. But in those questions, the way they are presented matters. Now, Africa is severely depressed in their potential. You can yadda yadda, but Lynn didn't do any of these tests. He compiled national data at that time. Wicherts directly pointed out he missed out studies deliberately when the IQs were higher. That's your main guy that Charles Murray cited. He never did any of these tests directly. He never controlled for the level of education, environmental depression, or how the African environment is. G isn't a fixed. We don't know everything about it.
And last point, Africa to this day has Western governments influencing. Wtf are you talking about? The CIA literally destroys any of them that nationalizes. How about you look at the history?
lol. Bullshit. Indians aren’t better, they’re just available in enormous numbers. I work with a lot of Indians and know a lot of people who work with them and they’re just kinda ok, at best. They also have a well deserved reputation for ethnic nepotism.
As for the kvetching about blacks and IQ….bla bla bla…this has been tested and re-tested umpteen different ways over the years and the results are always the same. Not that you need IQ testing to enlighten you about the black intelligence gap…traveling around sub-Saharan Africa, or any knowledge of history, science and technology, should be enough.
Are you suggesting that there would be more White men competent in STEM if they'd been relentlessly pushed by their parents from a young age, but instead they're just sitting on untapped potential? I disagree. Those domains need the people who are actually innately gifted and driven, not increasing numbers of relatively ordinary people whose relative lack of giftedness is papered over by the output of studying and grinding.
Objective metrics show that Indian CS grads are less competent than their American counterparts. I've heard people in tech complain that foreign Indian incompetence is quite visible. But they have strong-looking résumés and are willing to work for lower pay, so...
Am I saying that people who are pushed to work hard from a young age are more likely to make it into STEM? Well, no fucking shit, yes. What the hell are you on about? You are not in the Industrial Revolution anymore. Your ancestors worked 16 hour days because of the Protestant work ethic. These days, you are lazy compared to Indians.
I am not kidding. I have been to 13 households, so I can get a relative gauge. They get home and, if they even pay attention at school, they watch video games or porn. This leads to low test scores, which means they cannot get into A levels, and then they cannot do degrees.
“Innate talent” is cope. Even Newton took years to learn his shit. Remember what g measures, it measures speed of learning, not whether you can learn at all. I also reject this retarded concept that Indians have a lower IQ.
There is inbreeding, iodine deficiency, blood lead in water, lower calorie intake so the brain cannot fully develop, and parasites. These are real, observable factors. Are these fixed? Yes or no.
I hate you dishonest people. You will point out two things, European and Indian IQs vary between countries, but then you ignore schooling, effort, and environmental degradation. What you are doing is saying, “Well, we have two pies, and this pie shows a lower share and this one shows a smaller share, so it must mean this pie is just smaller.” No. You are missing density and volume.
Similarly, we are lacking heavily in polygenic testing software, and we do not know the genetic potential. This is where you are being dishonest, because current data does not give you that. So who is really lying about the data?
Now, I know what you are going to say, “but muh Wilson effect.” First of all, that study was done in developed Western nations, not developing nations. Very big difference. The Scarr Rowe idea, by Turkheimer, shows a decrease in heritability depending on environment.
If we are talking about science, let us both be honest.
Is this a joke? I hope so, if not, your ignorance is off the charts and my guess is you know no actual Asian people, have not traveled to any Asian (huge diversity in countries and the population dwarfs the “white” world population) countries or even outside the US. Nothing wrong with that but lacking basic self awareness is so “white”
If you had spent anything more than a brief amount of time with Asians, especially Chinese, you would know he is right lmao. Cheating is a cultural staple of the Chinese, they consider it stupid if you dont do literally everything possible to get ahead.
Asian culture is not compatible with Western or White culture. He uses one example of this but there are many more, such as multi generational households. Some of these incompatibilities are not hostile but others are.
My final academic experience with Asians (East Asians — Chinese to be specific) was thus:
Advanced graduate mathematics course.
Stereotypical autist professor.
Squirrels-eyed and frazzled hair, the Professor marches into the room at exactly 10:30 am, throws out a bunch of exams, then promptly departs the room, not to be seen again until 11:19 to collect the final exams.
This was a common occurrence.
As soon as he departs, every Chinese Asian in the room collected into a group and took the exam, required to taken as individuals, as a group.
Whites did not.
We took photos and video to document the (regular) incident.
Grades come back (set on a curve, with 2.6 being the set median).
Chinese all got 4.0 — what a coincidence.
Whites got a range between 4.0 on down, but I didn’t talk to all of them.
Myself and others musters a few to bring this up with the dean, who met with us. They (he and his staff) were “concerned,” and assured us it would be handled.
Nothing happened. The tear moved on. People graduated, or other, more pressing issues arose.
The Chinese cheated and were not punished.
The whites played by the rules and were punished for it.
Two lessons learned:
1. Asians cheat — a lot (this was one example, from one exam, in only one course, but it was rampant)
2. It pays to be a cheater in America, if you’re Asian.
My causal inference is that more Asians tend to move to White countries than vice versa. There's really no reason to anymore, so White countries must be doing something our countries are not doing.
Because Asia is a very large geographical area and white is a color. Some people who assigned themselves the category of “white” decided to divide the world in this way. No one calls themselves “yellow” or “brown” or “black” unless they are responding to the categories that “white” people set up only recently in history. Like I said, my background is “brown” and “white” though some people might call me “yellow” because I’m part southeast Asian. In the end, it’s all very stupid. I recently realized here that I’m talking to a bunch of white college age boys who like to speak in university speak. Good luck to you when you face the real world.
Guys like this hate Jews and Asians because they are smart, ambitious and family oriented. These men prefer to succeed by their skin color and tiny appendage alone.
The least East Asian country is Singapore, which is 60% Chinese if we're counting all of the Indian migrant labor that the government exploits. The US is 55% White and will most likely be majority minority in less than 20 years. BTW, why is white in quotes.
I hope this is a joke, and not a real example of clueless white supremacy: “Those people” are inferior but they cheat and beat us by trying harder. WTF??!!
Eighty years ago this guy would be complaining about Jackie Robinson.
I write mainly about US monetary and fiscal policy, trade, & investent policy, CO2 accumulation reduction policy. I have opinions about which party is worse and they are not hard to discern, but I try to keep my analysis non-partisan
Keynes said, “Madmen in authority who hear voices in the air are distilling their frensy from some academic scribbler of a few years back.
I agree with this as a Chinese guest in the US and I appreciate what you people have done for me because y'all most likely have a higher IQ on average than we do.
I would vote for rural affirmative action and Malaysian style sons of the soil policies to support white working class folks.
But what you're telling me is to study less to be a good ally. Now, there's a traditional HBD idea that behavior and politics is downstream from genetics and race.
If I study less, wouldn't I be acting against my nature, genetically? I would like a game plan as to what I should do. According to white philosopher Thomas Aquinas, the key to human flourishing is for everyone to actualize their unique genetic potential. So wouldn't studying less hurt the common good?
If I'm genetically inclined to study for that math test - even at the advanced age of 45 - I'm going to do that whether or not it hurts those around me.
Anime girls are White / Dark Elf and drawn by Japanese men. They are not biologically or apparently Asian. Many of them are GPT Ghiblis of my wife. So it's was made in California and depicts a French girl. It merely lifted a Japanese art style. Others are not "generated" but rather come from anime and visual novels. Japanese people are good enough that they stay in their own country, and I'm sure that's linked to their creative and artistic capacity, ie their tendency to do something creative rather than Gaokao Grind when compared to Chinese and Koreans . I say we should delete a million Chinese h1b tech and finance workers and replace them with grant-funded Japanese manga artists who promote early marriage and romance. Banned for Asian Narcissism.
To you folk everything everywhere is forever racial. Every policy, every system, every outcome must be judged by its racial outcomes, if it benefits your desired racial group it’s a good policy elsewhere it’s a bad policy. Like a literal inverse of woke retards who focus on Blacks, you choose to focus on Whites.
Me frankly, I’ll speak about a much worse truth, that I doubt your type will touch with a hundred foot pole. A bunch of status driven strivers, who rarely have real passion for the subject, almost never are actual outliers in terms of outcomes and abilities, and crucially have completely crowded out the arguably more deserving groups in every western college institution. I’m talking of course about women, I don’t think it’s even debatable at this point.
We have >50% women in every college to date, and anyone who has spent any time with them in STEM degrees knows they are like your Asian Stereotype but much worse, literally the only way they ever judge a research paper is by the names of the people on it. They are also far more prone to memorization for tests and there’s a reason why the teachers pet stereotype generally brings up someone like Hermoinie, not a man. Even pop culture recognizes this phenomenon.
So why not talk about banning them from colleges too, or tilting the scales to make it harder for them to join? I wish Helen Andrews would write an Oped on this too! I would respect if the motivation for not talking about this was the desire to sleep with these hot nubile girls. That is frankly respectable. But no your type, is not the chad who sleeps with them. Such a chad would not be writing Oped’s so minutely on Asians or even Blacks that much though probably the Black case amuses him. Your type is actually the nerd who is resentful that some other group is nerding out and pushing you out of your imagined societal role, and so you concoct these theories with half truths for your benefit.
You or Helen Andrew’s children or her herself won’t make college the institute of excellence you make it out to be. Frankly if college was filled with 99% your ilk, or Asians I’m not sure what’s worse. Either way I don’t think it would matter because nothing of greatness would be born out of either.
Instead let me propose a real change that will probably make colleges an institute of excellence again, and it will shockingly be race blind but will almost certainly be like 80%+ white male pass rate, though that is not the goal. The goal is an institute of excellence. Why not, as a minimum, require a 200lb bench press and 20 really hard geometry questions that don’t require any prior knowledge beyond grade school as an admission standard to college. And then maybe an interview if too many candidates pass this bar.
Regardless, this whole discourse is stupid, bunch of subalterns feuding with other subalterns for status markers that are increasingly losing value in modern society.
Ah yes, deport Asians because they work hard, very reasonable argument
Even if you consider meta-cheating a bad thing, your average Asian immigrant is still smarter, more honest, and more productive than your average Appalachian white person. And I don't think meta cheating is a bad thing because that academic focus translates into career focus which is a huge positive that makes up for reduced innovation. Thus if we deport Asians, we should at least also deport hillbillies.
Americans, whoever they are, are free to deport anyone they like b/c the subject of deportation is about nationality and not just about how desirable a citizen is on a certain day. Appalachians, by dint of being european, are valued more highly by their fellow co-ethnics than Asians and vice versa.
As a heritage American, I value citizens more on their productivity and achievements than their ethnic heritage, and personally feel more connected to educated Asians than uneducated whites. I know many who feel the same way.
I think banishment for serious crimes or people with long criminal records is a suitable punishment that more directly targets undesirables than pan-ethnic remigration, provided we have a partner like El Salvador to give them replacement citizenships. This would not just apply to hillbillies, but would affect them much more than Asian immigrants.
I've seen people's scores go up 100+ points and the data confirms this. So there is no way that you actually worked in test training seriously and saw max a 30 point increase. Banned for lying and Asian Narcissism.
I disagree with a lot of the inferences made here, especially in the beginning.
To be clear though, do you think Asian culture does NOT have a higher average emphasis on academics than other racial cultures on average? I’m not sure you made it entirely clear.
I’m sure the IQ stuff can be a debatable topic, but the inference from institutional prestige is not a great one.
This honestly reads more like a retaliatory piece to some stuck up Chinese guy.
If the problem is that Asians game the heuristics, fix the heuristics: the tests, the stupid status competitions over a handful of elite colleges, and so on.
East Asians underperform their genetic abilities in their own countries because of Communism. This was also true of Eastern Europeans until they were liberated from Communism.
No real issue with your overall thesis, but your link to "Many are noticing just how dumb the old Caucasian wealthy class is..." only mentions Jew Epstein and likely crypto-Jew Gates. The old US families have basically been shut out. Any apparently White person you see at a top school is more likely Jewish. The patrician class is maybe a little smarter than the Jews or Asians, but it's debatable. What they do or at least did often have have that the others don't is class, character and culture. But the old upper class is near extinction.
Isn't the obsession with intelligence itself Asian/Jew/all fellaheen peoples with a Brahmin/Mandarin class coded?
Intelligence is a powerful and useful quality, but alone it is no guarantor of success on the individual or societal level.
In the late imperial game phase of our Faustian civilisation, Germany undoubtedly had the highest average IQ of all the competitors, but it lost completely to the Soviets and Anglosphere.
In the Classical version of the same phase, Syracuse had arguably the most intelligent person on earth at the time (Archimedes) inventing incredible new weapons, and Carthage had the undefeated genius of Hannibal leading them; both were crushed by Rome.
In ancient China the same story occurred between the Tsin and Wu, with the latter's intellectual brilliance meaning nothing in the end.
Was it intelligence alone that won Nelson Trafalgar? Or William England? Or Beowulf glory against Grendel? Or the Pioneers the Frontier? No, it was something else. Something the much later Brahmin classes have long lost.
The Bolsheviks themselves are a perfect example; almost all of them were purged by a Georgian ruffian.
The quality I'm getting is simply the aristocratic attitude, that of historical facts, of power and politics, rather than the priestly/brahmin attitude of abstract timeless truths and intellectual cultivation.
Certain urban classes from very old cultures (China, India, the Jews) will always obsess over intelligence, because it is the only quality that many of them still possess of any value. But intelligence itself is really just the ability to utilise the abstract intellectual tools of their culture, and only emerges as a dominant quality under very certain conditions (late urban phases of the civilisational life cycle).
Place them outside of this context, and they are some of fhe easiest human prey you can find (the monks at Lindisfarne come to mind, but the long history of China and India since their falls is mostly that of playthings of other people's).
This is why Asian people suddenly feel they can compete with westerners; because we have 'caught up' and are sinking to their level.
They once were, I think it's just the cycles of history that leads to the intelleligence obsession so things can change. It would probably signal a true rebirth when you get rid of the Mandarin element.
Well I mean Confucius does talk about 文武双全. Also frankly confucianisim helped china maintain stability for like 2000 years straight. The issue is the close mindedness it produces. Industrial Revolution of great britain was what happend when the clsoe mindedness got the spanking. Which mean there needs to be a 开脑家 although i am pretty sure present day chinese already know that so whatever.
Let's get rid of all those swarthy Eastern and Southern Euros while we're at it. The Papists and Hebrews ruined this country long before the Asians and Mexicans. And ship the Africans back as well.
Right? Where's that Klan fighting spirit when you need it…
We Westerners have no shortage of talented men whose parents didn't need to push them. If they've got the gift that makes math (or programming, etc) feel elegant and satisfying, they want to take whatever opportunity they can to keep exploring it and putting in the work; they'd feel their life would be unlived and understimulating if they didn't. The Western way is that if you aren't that guy, you don't belong in that domain, and that's okay. The field will be fine without you, and you'll be better off not being deluded into thinking you belong. This is the way that has produced Western excellence.
I went to a university that was about half Asian. I'm sure that my White male equivalent, even with my 99th percentile scores, would not have gotten in. But with the way things are now, it looks like that would've been for the better for him.
I am Asian and I support this entire article. Stop trying to defend the idiocy. You are not making them better
STFU if you had no shortage you wouldn't be importing people of other races to keep your economy running. I have yet to see arguments or data that disprove this usual right wing talking point because the market reality contradicts your feelings entirely.
For instance regarding black white IQ differences you fuckers know GWAS doesn't map onto Africans very well due to portability issues. You have seen the multiple bits of data showing the predictive accuracy drops to 10 to 15 percent in African datasets but you ignore it. It is disingenuous to take the allele frequency of tags that are consistent in Europeans and apply them to Africans when you know the linkage disequilibrium is different.
And what makes you even more dishonest is you ignore the very real empirical testable hardware fixes that have been shown to increase IQ or stop brain damage in the Black community even though the ROI is massive. You refuse to acknowledge these because you don't want to fix it.
Lead Abatement. We know for a fact lead poisoning destroys the prefrontal cortex and lowers IQ by 5 to 7 points. It disproportionately affects Black neighborhoods. Cost is 400 billion to fix all pipes and paint which is peanuts compared to the lost GDP.
Micronutrient Fortification. 70 percent of African Americans are Vitamin D deficient which impacts cognitive development. Iodine and Magnesium deficiencies are rampant. Cost is literally cents per person to fix the biological substrate.
PM2.5 Pollution Reduction. Exposure to particulate matter in inner cities physically shrinks brain volume and lowers test scores. Cost is regulatory enforcement and air filtration in schools.
You ignore these biological realities that suppress intelligence because you don't actually want to solve the problem you just want to feel superior.
Btw this is true even if a gap exists if there is a real gap this would still be true
We actually dont have a shortage its just large companies can import workers for a fraction of the price as native born americans, also why sperg on about black woes nobody gaf about that lol
You actually do have a shortage. If they would hire locals, they would. They choose Indians because they are harder workers. Sorry, but I've actually seen Indian households versus European ones; you guys are lazier, and you don't have the drive. That doesn't mean you can't, but say it like it is: a culture that studies domain-specific knowledge like math or STEM is going to be accepted into uni more. Nice fucking cope, by the way.
And of course, the subhuman claims to be superior while keeping other races down. Remember, DEI is wrong unless it's white people
“That doesn't mean you can't, but say it like it is: a culture that studies domain-specific knowledge like math or STEM is going to be accepted into uni more. Nice fucking cope, by the way.“
If this were true of Indian culture then India would look more like Japan, and wouldn’t be the corrupt semi-literate latrine that it is.
I work with shit, blah blah, yeah yeah, no, an argument, but I didn't hear any statistical comparison or where they would land on the smart fraction or the bell curve. Factors independent of genes that can be fixed but isn't due to your ancestors which, you cock muncher, you can search, spent 200 years pushing down our throats. And then when you left, Nehru, who was educated in Western academia, fell under the Marxism of the Fabians whose literal motto was being wolves in sheep's clothing. For 40 years he applied the License Raj. You couldn't compete on the global market. 40 years. Then they opened it up. However, every time the leader tries to make an economic reform, it has to be in the interest of a billion poor people who are starving. You can't run politics like this.
So let's say history as it is exactly: your ancestors fucked up my ancestors, introduced subhuman leftism, which is entirely a Western concept, and now that it's poor and the ones that are educated from my population come here, you want to tell me, cock muncher, that whites are getting replaced? Fuck out of here. If you were better, you wouldn't have half the fucking indentured servitude and apartheid states. "Oh, but everyone did it." No, they didn't. They did not set up a global empire based purely on craniomorphological. They made up a racial hierarchy which doesn't map onto genetics very well, as genetics are more akin to a gradient. There is no fine cutting where you split us. Entirely arbitrary. So no, it's not the same.
And the next point is even funnier. Knowledge of history, do you even know what IQ tests even are? What they are measuring? Literally, it's so hilarious. In the West, you're trained to think in right angles. In Africa, you're trained to think in fractals. It's a completely different environment. Psychometric g is a construct that attempts to measure the underlying ability of populations using visuospatial abilities, abstract thinking, the ability to juggle multiple thoughts at once. But in those questions, the way they are presented matters. Now, Africa is severely depressed in their potential. You can yadda yadda, but Lynn didn't do any of these tests. He compiled national data at that time. Wicherts directly pointed out he missed out studies deliberately when the IQs were higher. That's your main guy that Charles Murray cited. He never did any of these tests directly. He never controlled for the level of education, environmental depression, or how the African environment is. G isn't a fixed. We don't know everything about it.
And last point, Africa to this day has Western governments influencing. Wtf are you talking about? The CIA literally destroys any of them that nationalizes. How about you look at the history?
lol. Bullshit. Indians aren’t better, they’re just available in enormous numbers. I work with a lot of Indians and know a lot of people who work with them and they’re just kinda ok, at best. They also have a well deserved reputation for ethnic nepotism.
As for the kvetching about blacks and IQ….bla bla bla…this has been tested and re-tested umpteen different ways over the years and the results are always the same. Not that you need IQ testing to enlighten you about the black intelligence gap…traveling around sub-Saharan Africa, or any knowledge of history, science and technology, should be enough.
You know I didn't click a molecule right
Are you suggesting that there would be more White men competent in STEM if they'd been relentlessly pushed by their parents from a young age, but instead they're just sitting on untapped potential? I disagree. Those domains need the people who are actually innately gifted and driven, not increasing numbers of relatively ordinary people whose relative lack of giftedness is papered over by the output of studying and grinding.
Objective metrics show that Indian CS grads are less competent than their American counterparts. I've heard people in tech complain that foreign Indian incompetence is quite visible. But they have strong-looking résumés and are willing to work for lower pay, so...
Am I saying that people who are pushed to work hard from a young age are more likely to make it into STEM? Well, no fucking shit, yes. What the hell are you on about? You are not in the Industrial Revolution anymore. Your ancestors worked 16 hour days because of the Protestant work ethic. These days, you are lazy compared to Indians.
I am not kidding. I have been to 13 households, so I can get a relative gauge. They get home and, if they even pay attention at school, they watch video games or porn. This leads to low test scores, which means they cannot get into A levels, and then they cannot do degrees.
“Innate talent” is cope. Even Newton took years to learn his shit. Remember what g measures, it measures speed of learning, not whether you can learn at all. I also reject this retarded concept that Indians have a lower IQ.
There is inbreeding, iodine deficiency, blood lead in water, lower calorie intake so the brain cannot fully develop, and parasites. These are real, observable factors. Are these fixed? Yes or no.
I hate you dishonest people. You will point out two things, European and Indian IQs vary between countries, but then you ignore schooling, effort, and environmental degradation. What you are doing is saying, “Well, we have two pies, and this pie shows a lower share and this one shows a smaller share, so it must mean this pie is just smaller.” No. You are missing density and volume.
Similarly, we are lacking heavily in polygenic testing software, and we do not know the genetic potential. This is where you are being dishonest, because current data does not give you that. So who is really lying about the data?
Now, I know what you are going to say, “but muh Wilson effect.” First of all, that study was done in developed Western nations, not developing nations. Very big difference. The Scarr Rowe idea, by Turkheimer, shows a decrease in heritability depending on environment.
If we are talking about science, let us both be honest.
We want our own homeland, just like you do.
I can smell you
Just use AI next time.
Is this a joke? I hope so, if not, your ignorance is off the charts and my guess is you know no actual Asian people, have not traveled to any Asian (huge diversity in countries and the population dwarfs the “white” world population) countries or even outside the US. Nothing wrong with that but lacking basic self awareness is so “white”
If you had spent anything more than a brief amount of time with Asians, especially Chinese, you would know he is right lmao. Cheating is a cultural staple of the Chinese, they consider it stupid if you dont do literally everything possible to get ahead.
Asian culture is not compatible with Western or White culture. He uses one example of this but there are many more, such as multi generational households. Some of these incompatibilities are not hostile but others are.
My final academic experience with Asians (East Asians — Chinese to be specific) was thus:
Advanced graduate mathematics course.
Stereotypical autist professor.
Squirrels-eyed and frazzled hair, the Professor marches into the room at exactly 10:30 am, throws out a bunch of exams, then promptly departs the room, not to be seen again until 11:19 to collect the final exams.
This was a common occurrence.
As soon as he departs, every Chinese Asian in the room collected into a group and took the exam, required to taken as individuals, as a group.
Whites did not.
We took photos and video to document the (regular) incident.
Grades come back (set on a curve, with 2.6 being the set median).
Chinese all got 4.0 — what a coincidence.
Whites got a range between 4.0 on down, but I didn’t talk to all of them.
Myself and others musters a few to bring this up with the dean, who met with us. They (he and his staff) were “concerned,” and assured us it would be handled.
Nothing happened. The tear moved on. People graduated, or other, more pressing issues arose.
The Chinese cheated and were not punished.
The whites played by the rules and were punished for it.
Two lessons learned:
1. Asians cheat — a lot (this was one example, from one exam, in only one course, but it was rampant)
2. It pays to be a cheater in America, if you’re Asian.
I legit thought this was satire. 😭😬
I still think it might be?
That’s also the impression I got. He seems to just play off cheating stereotypes while ignoring actual empirical outcomes or any causal inference.
Honestly I thought this was a parody until I looked at the comments and saw some were taking this seriously.
There will always be some people like this. I made a longer substack note on my page. Just a lot of bad causal inference with no empirical workings.
My causal inference is that more Asians tend to move to White countries than vice versa. There's really no reason to anymore, so White countries must be doing something our countries are not doing.
Asian capitalized, White in quotations.
Your intentions couldn't be any clearer.
Why should we keep a hostile fifth column that constantly undermines and berates us in our own Nations?
Because Asia is a very large geographical area and white is a color. Some people who assigned themselves the category of “white” decided to divide the world in this way. No one calls themselves “yellow” or “brown” or “black” unless they are responding to the categories that “white” people set up only recently in history. Like I said, my background is “brown” and “white” though some people might call me “yellow” because I’m part southeast Asian. In the end, it’s all very stupid. I recently realized here that I’m talking to a bunch of white college age boys who like to speak in university speak. Good luck to you when you face the real world.
Guys like this hate Jews and Asians because they are smart, ambitious and family oriented. These men prefer to succeed by their skin color and tiny appendage alone.
The least East Asian country is Singapore, which is 60% Chinese if we're counting all of the Indian migrant labor that the government exploits. The US is 55% White and will most likely be majority minority in less than 20 years. BTW, why is white in quotes.
I hope this is a joke, and not a real example of clueless white supremacy: “Those people” are inferior but they cheat and beat us by trying harder. WTF??!!
Eighty years ago this guy would be complaining about Jackie Robinson.
I suspect you think MLK was a saint, lynchings weren’t justified, and America is an economic zone.
I’m in my 50s and half Asian (southeast). I have no idea what any of you are talking about other than you are completely ignorant.
I thought the same thing! :) I had nver run across Right-wind DIE before.
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Keynes said, “Madmen in authority who hear voices in the air are distilling their frensy from some academic scribbler of a few years back.
I want to be one of those academic scribblers.
Have you read this before? Highly relevant now given the current discourse on X/Twitter: https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/asian-immigration-and-the-signaling
I think Asia was hit by a third nuke lol.
Gigabased article.
I agree with this as a Chinese guest in the US and I appreciate what you people have done for me because y'all most likely have a higher IQ on average than we do.
I would vote for rural affirmative action and Malaysian style sons of the soil policies to support white working class folks.
But what you're telling me is to study less to be a good ally. Now, there's a traditional HBD idea that behavior and politics is downstream from genetics and race.
If I study less, wouldn't I be acting against my nature, genetically? I would like a game plan as to what I should do. According to white philosopher Thomas Aquinas, the key to human flourishing is for everyone to actualize their unique genetic potential. So wouldn't studying less hurt the common good?
If I'm genetically inclined to study for that math test - even at the advanced age of 45 - I'm going to do that whether or not it hurts those around me.
Anime girls are White / Dark Elf and drawn by Japanese men. They are not biologically or apparently Asian. Many of them are GPT Ghiblis of my wife. So it's was made in California and depicts a French girl. It merely lifted a Japanese art style. Others are not "generated" but rather come from anime and visual novels. Japanese people are good enough that they stay in their own country, and I'm sure that's linked to their creative and artistic capacity, ie their tendency to do something creative rather than Gaokao Grind when compared to Chinese and Koreans . I say we should delete a million Chinese h1b tech and finance workers and replace them with grant-funded Japanese manga artists who promote early marriage and romance. Banned for Asian Narcissism.
Ah yeah the superior white man consuming Asian mans talent of Anime ah yeah the master fucking race folks go back to the dreds of twitter
To you folk everything everywhere is forever racial. Every policy, every system, every outcome must be judged by its racial outcomes, if it benefits your desired racial group it’s a good policy elsewhere it’s a bad policy. Like a literal inverse of woke retards who focus on Blacks, you choose to focus on Whites.
Me frankly, I’ll speak about a much worse truth, that I doubt your type will touch with a hundred foot pole. A bunch of status driven strivers, who rarely have real passion for the subject, almost never are actual outliers in terms of outcomes and abilities, and crucially have completely crowded out the arguably more deserving groups in every western college institution. I’m talking of course about women, I don’t think it’s even debatable at this point.
We have >50% women in every college to date, and anyone who has spent any time with them in STEM degrees knows they are like your Asian Stereotype but much worse, literally the only way they ever judge a research paper is by the names of the people on it. They are also far more prone to memorization for tests and there’s a reason why the teachers pet stereotype generally brings up someone like Hermoinie, not a man. Even pop culture recognizes this phenomenon.
So why not talk about banning them from colleges too, or tilting the scales to make it harder for them to join? I wish Helen Andrews would write an Oped on this too! I would respect if the motivation for not talking about this was the desire to sleep with these hot nubile girls. That is frankly respectable. But no your type, is not the chad who sleeps with them. Such a chad would not be writing Oped’s so minutely on Asians or even Blacks that much though probably the Black case amuses him. Your type is actually the nerd who is resentful that some other group is nerding out and pushing you out of your imagined societal role, and so you concoct these theories with half truths for your benefit.
You or Helen Andrew’s children or her herself won’t make college the institute of excellence you make it out to be. Frankly if college was filled with 99% your ilk, or Asians I’m not sure what’s worse. Either way I don’t think it would matter because nothing of greatness would be born out of either.
Instead let me propose a real change that will probably make colleges an institute of excellence again, and it will shockingly be race blind but will almost certainly be like 80%+ white male pass rate, though that is not the goal. The goal is an institute of excellence. Why not, as a minimum, require a 200lb bench press and 20 really hard geometry questions that don’t require any prior knowledge beyond grade school as an admission standard to college. And then maybe an interview if too many candidates pass this bar.
Regardless, this whole discourse is stupid, bunch of subalterns feuding with other subalterns for status markers that are increasingly losing value in modern society.
Ah yes, deport Asians because they work hard, very reasonable argument
Even if you consider meta-cheating a bad thing, your average Asian immigrant is still smarter, more honest, and more productive than your average Appalachian white person. And I don't think meta cheating is a bad thing because that academic focus translates into career focus which is a huge positive that makes up for reduced innovation. Thus if we deport Asians, we should at least also deport hillbillies.
Americans, whoever they are, are free to deport anyone they like b/c the subject of deportation is about nationality and not just about how desirable a citizen is on a certain day. Appalachians, by dint of being european, are valued more highly by their fellow co-ethnics than Asians and vice versa.
As a heritage American, I value citizens more on their productivity and achievements than their ethnic heritage, and personally feel more connected to educated Asians than uneducated whites. I know many who feel the same way.
I think banishment for serious crimes or people with long criminal records is a suitable punishment that more directly targets undesirables than pan-ethnic remigration, provided we have a partner like El Salvador to give them replacement citizenships. This would not just apply to hillbillies, but would affect them much more than Asian immigrants.
Only if you're an ignorant hillbilly though.
I've seen people's scores go up 100+ points and the data confirms this. So there is no way that you actually worked in test training seriously and saw max a 30 point increase. Banned for lying and Asian Narcissism.
I disagree with a lot of the inferences made here, especially in the beginning.
To be clear though, do you think Asian culture does NOT have a higher average emphasis on academics than other racial cultures on average? I’m not sure you made it entirely clear.
I’m sure the IQ stuff can be a debatable topic, but the inference from institutional prestige is not a great one.
This honestly reads more like a retaliatory piece to some stuck up Chinese guy.
If the problem is that Asians game the heuristics, fix the heuristics: the tests, the stupid status competitions over a handful of elite colleges, and so on.
East Asians underperform their genetic abilities in their own countries because of Communism. This was also true of Eastern Europeans until they were liberated from Communism.
Hare loses race to Tortoise, files complaint: "I was robbed"
No real issue with your overall thesis, but your link to "Many are noticing just how dumb the old Caucasian wealthy class is..." only mentions Jew Epstein and likely crypto-Jew Gates. The old US families have basically been shut out. Any apparently White person you see at a top school is more likely Jewish. The patrician class is maybe a little smarter than the Jews or Asians, but it's debatable. What they do or at least did often have have that the others don't is class, character and culture. But the old upper class is near extinction.
No anti-etnic group rant would be complete whoiut a soupcon of anti semitism! :)
How dare you question that guy? He has class, character and culture don't you know?
I'm an 83 y o literal WASP (by upbringing, now Catholic) and I have enough privalege to get away with it. :)
Isn't the obsession with intelligence itself Asian/Jew/all fellaheen peoples with a Brahmin/Mandarin class coded?
Intelligence is a powerful and useful quality, but alone it is no guarantor of success on the individual or societal level.
In the late imperial game phase of our Faustian civilisation, Germany undoubtedly had the highest average IQ of all the competitors, but it lost completely to the Soviets and Anglosphere.
In the Classical version of the same phase, Syracuse had arguably the most intelligent person on earth at the time (Archimedes) inventing incredible new weapons, and Carthage had the undefeated genius of Hannibal leading them; both were crushed by Rome.
In ancient China the same story occurred between the Tsin and Wu, with the latter's intellectual brilliance meaning nothing in the end.
Was it intelligence alone that won Nelson Trafalgar? Or William England? Or Beowulf glory against Grendel? Or the Pioneers the Frontier? No, it was something else. Something the much later Brahmin classes have long lost.
It was nothing of value if the Bolsheviks had more of it than the Germans
The Bolsheviks themselves are a perfect example; almost all of them were purged by a Georgian ruffian.
The quality I'm getting is simply the aristocratic attitude, that of historical facts, of power and politics, rather than the priestly/brahmin attitude of abstract timeless truths and intellectual cultivation.
Certain urban classes from very old cultures (China, India, the Jews) will always obsess over intelligence, because it is the only quality that many of them still possess of any value. But intelligence itself is really just the ability to utilise the abstract intellectual tools of their culture, and only emerges as a dominant quality under very certain conditions (late urban phases of the civilisational life cycle).
Place them outside of this context, and they are some of fhe easiest human prey you can find (the monks at Lindisfarne come to mind, but the long history of China and India since their falls is mostly that of playthings of other people's).
This is why Asian people suddenly feel they can compete with westerners; because we have 'caught up' and are sinking to their level.
I agree chinese people need to be more balanced 文武双全 supremacy.
They once were, I think it's just the cycles of history that leads to the intelleligence obsession so things can change. It would probably signal a true rebirth when you get rid of the Mandarin element.
Well I mean Confucius does talk about 文武双全. Also frankly confucianisim helped china maintain stability for like 2000 years straight. The issue is the close mindedness it produces. Industrial Revolution of great britain was what happend when the clsoe mindedness got the spanking. Which mean there needs to be a 开脑家 although i am pretty sure present day chinese already know that so whatever.
Let's get rid of all those swarthy Eastern and Southern Euros while we're at it. The Papists and Hebrews ruined this country long before the Asians and Mexicans. And ship the Africans back as well.
Right? Where's that Klan fighting spirit when you need it…
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