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Bob Thebuilder's avatar

How would you classify the George Floyd moral panic, or the climate change moral panic?

Leon Voß's avatar

Race riot and doomsday cult. But I can see in some sense these caused panics, so maybe what I discussed here is a subtype of panic. A moral panic. I didn't really think of race riots or doomsday fears as concerning "morality."

On its face there could be a moral panic over government spying with Flock cameras, for instance, since that concerns the immoral behavior of the government. But the law states there won't be since they don't cause girl tears. Meanwhile blacks chimping out is a different type of thing, we all know they chimp out every 10 years or so and libtards like to fuel it. And sometimes people claim the world is going to literally end and that's another kind of thing that's not really focused on morality.

Bob Thebuilder's avatar

Race riots were adjacent to the George Floyd moral panic, exemplified by elected Democrats kneeling in Congress wearing faux African gear, but not instrumental to it.

ZlasoPoblima1907's avatar

A significant chunk of moral panics in the past, such as:

- superhero comics supposedly causing juvenile delinquency and portraying and promoting homosexual couples in their duos (see "Seduction of the Innocent")

- the lambasting of rock'n'roll/metal/Marilyn Manson/DOOM as the cause of the Columbine High School massacre

- the general anti-violent video/tabletop game activism of those such as Jack Chick and Joe Lieberman,

all fail the GLOMP. They were concerned mainly with boys/young men being harmed, and were started/sustained by men, or by men and women in equal measure.

MLOMP and HLOMP are, at least to me, definitionally necessary to classify something as a "moral panic", so I agree with your analysis here.

Leon Voß's avatar

But did these, which apparently follow the BLOMP instead, become successful? Did they really lead to hysteria?

ZlasoPoblima1907's avatar

To hysteria? Certainly - the latter two especially. Politicians and journalists, as well as various public groups, indeed became hysterical. If you are referring to an all-encompassing hysteria among the populace, I would argue that, especially with the (at the time) older generations, or Evangelicals, it was widespread. It did not, however, last beyond them.

As for success, not particularly, no, I agree. ESRB was created, not much beyond that.

I do wish to mention something about your two examples, however:

1. While the Salem Witch Trials were initiated by young girls, the many other witch-hunts in Europe did not. They were initiated by local lords or religious figures, which were overwelmingly men. If you count the Inquisition's activities, or pogroms, as guided by moral panics, they also become male-oriented.

2. You mentioned the girl connection with the vaping article. While it is obviously there, a significant chunk of the hysteria regards all young people vaping, of both genders. The article did have a particular tie to a young girl, but without that tie (or, indeed, that article), or with a boy, I think the overall development of vaping bans in the US would have been quite similar.

That the suffering of girls/women (evolutionarily?) inspires greater emotion in people is, I feel, correct. I am not sure if it is an all-deciding factor.

What other examples did you have in mind? One is Epstein, I assume - here I would wager that, as pedophiles are overhwelmingly male and heterosexual, the girl connection is baked-in, and (I feel, please tell me if you think otherwise) does not diminish the impact of boy-oriented pedophilia (I know your arguments that Epstein is not a pedophile etc. etc., but the moral panic connection has been made with it, so my point stands).

Are there any others?

Leon Voß's avatar

Maybe a better model is there are multiple types of panics, all panics share the last two components but some tend to be more powerful than others. They can be distinguished in type by their driver, which in the case of the stereotypical "moral panic" I identified as the GLOMP. Maybe the BLOMP is a rarer subtype of moral panic, lower base rate and lower expected HLOMP strength. And yes, the GLOMP types of panics are so strong because girls have two empathy advantages: they are children and they are females. Boys only have one of these advantages so the panics inspired by them are weaker.

ZlasoPoblima1907's avatar

I agree with this perspective.

Thank you :)